So apparently, truth hurts. Badly.

DogManDan wrote:Now onto Daxtron, there is no need to re-code this game at all to add anti-cheat to it. It is a simple add-on feature that has never been activated merely because EA does not want to pay the extra costs involved. ..... But it does not take more than a simple update to add the anti cheat and removed all but actual code breakers from the game. Did I mention most of the cheaters are boost buyers so it affects there bottom line.

Daxtron wrote:

Ah, my bad. I'd always been given the impression it would take pulling the game apart and putting it back together again to work. I didn't think it'd be an easy task though.

Daxtron wrote:Here's a question.

You're a developer of a game in the position NFSW is in with regards to cheaters, have hundreds, if not thousands of people continuously harassing you and your team to do something about them, with the only way of combating said cheaters would be to take the game down and completely recode it.

Doing this would make absolutely everyone who has paid money into the game immediately outraged, and a majority of free players also angry that the game they're happy with is gone. All revenue is stopped. Development could continue for a short time until the money runs out.

Not doing this would mean still having the endless stream of complaints from both free and paying players, however since revenue is still incoming from the people who are actually happy with the game, development can continue, albeit with the ongoing issues that are all too evident.

-Here's a food for thought.
You have a game which you already have hundreds of thousands of already paying customers which have contributed lots of money for the devs and the game not getting a satisfactory product in terms of cheaters (which is one out of many). This game is actually one of EA's big cash cows (it has a small team, low maintenance cost and huge profit). We've seen lots of improvements since Marc left (don't know if that is just a coincidence though), but we're still struggling with many other bugs etc.

Now, to get a NFSW working with a proper cheat/hack blocking tool would indeed require a total rebuild and re-code of the whole game. If that wasn't necessary we would have seen one long time ago. Cheaters hurt any game in a bad way so they obviously can't build a proper protection. They could build a new game side-by-side of having the NFSW still running. However, this would require a grant from EA which I'm not suspecting is done. This game will probably run for at least two-three years from now if not longer, but eventually there will be a replacement which is probably why the team still is so small and not much is happening with the game except new cars being added.

What would you do?

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Another question. You're a moderator on a forum. Every single day, you see posts about a subject that won't be resolved by mere words being spouted by upset people. Do you:

Leave every post on the subject so that it ends up clogging up the forum pages and leaving the threads open to arguments, flame wars and abuse. Or;

Lock each thread on the subject, regardless of how many posts it has and without explanation because there are so many to lock. If someone then makes a rage thread about a post being locked, give them an incentive not to do so again by giving them a temporary ban.

What would you do?

-Firstly, Drew isn't a mod. He is a community manager, meaning he's supposed to deal with the communications between the dev team and the community. The thread was locked down out of no obvious reason. There was no flaming harassment going on, people was merely discussing the current situation and thoughts about it and possible counter measurements. Locking down a thread like this, even if it's one out of so many just shows how weak and poor you are as a dev team, and Drew for failing to communicate with the community.

Locking down the thread only means one thing, they know they can't do anything about it and they know that people constantly talking about it is hurting business. Therefore, they lock it down and dodge the real issue. I'm suspecting you've been around long enough to know what little has been done about cheaters during the years.

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One last question. Why continue to play a game you're that unhappy about? It's like going to a restaurant you know serves bad food, only to complain that your food was bad.

DogManDan wrote:Let's simplyfiy this for everyone here. Trickeh its against the ToS rules to post the cheater topic, and the post you made call out Drew directly which is a no no so your dealing with the consequences. This has happened to everyone.

Now onto Daxtron, there is no need to re-code this game at all to add anti-cheat to it. It is a simple add-on feature that has never been activated merely because EA does not want to pay the extra costs involved. See the thing is we all still sit here and play the game and spent uber amounts of money. Communities such as ours have enabled players to come together for PRIVATE racing and have vinyl contests and such. It is almost because of the communities that EA does not need to do anything because we are still here regardless of the cheaters.....

But it does not take more than a simple update to add the anti cheat and removed all but actual code breakers from the game. Did I mention most of the cheaters are boost buyers so it affects there bottom line.

reloaded12 wrote:lol bro, dont feel bad...i've been banned 3 times in-game and 2 time on the forums does that make u feel better?

*just trying 2 help

trickeh2k wrote:

I'm not really following here. I did not create the initial topic about cheaters, that was some other guy at the forum. I just did a new thread sort of a RE on that topic and Drew's closing down of it because he closed down the original thread before i manged to post a reply. It's not against the ToS to call someone out in a forum, only thing I did was asking why he closed it down. I never called him any bad names, used inappropriate language or likewise.

If any of what I'm posting is against the ToS, it's wildly exaggerated interpretations of my post. If i that post is against the ToS it's basically like saying "STFU or leave if you have ANY complaints what so ever!" I'm a paying customer, I have been around for a long time. I should be entitled to voice my opinion of what I think is tolerable or not. I never meant to come off as juvenile or just another whiner. I'm an adult, I'm a paying customer that spent lots of money of this game and this is how a community manager treats me?

I laugh. If you're involved in any corporate structure and have a role like that, you're clearly not fit for the job.